Unknown Speaker 0:01
The purpose of wealth talk is to educate, inform, and hopefully entertain you on the subject of building your wealth. Wealth builders recommends you should always take independent financial tax or legal advice before making any decisions around your finances.
Christian Rodwell 0:19
Welcome to Episode 117 of wealth talk. My name is Christian Rodwell, the membership director for wealth builders and I'm joined today by our founder Mr. Kevin Whalen. Hi, Kevin. Hello, Chris. Good to be with you again. Yes. Good to have you back. Kevin, did you enjoy your time off?
Unknown Speaker 0:35
I did. I reconnected with my roots up in Northumberland did lots of very interesting things including St. James's Park, you know, the home of the 50,000 the foreign islands and watching the puffins come and go, as well as Hadrian's Wall. And some very interesting things together with my whole family. So I took the whole family up with me to see my mother who was at and got a chance to serve to celebrate and spend some real family time together. So refreshed, recharged and ready to go cruise. Lovely,
Christian Rodwell 1:08
lovely. Well, today, we are looking at one of those challenges that we all have, which is time. And specifically today we're speaking to Christina Osborn, who's the founder of the property VA. And Christina focuses very much on helping property investors create more time in their business.
Unknown Speaker 1:29
Well, leverage is the big thing is no turn when we talk about first being the one of the foundational tools we use in wealth builders, Chris, we talk about the leverage of finance and intellect relationship systems in time. And this is a combination of s&t. And almost always, you know, people will get to a certain point where the time becomes the big challenge. And I think what Christine has done is come up with a very, very elegant solution. And having pivoted from, you know, where she started, I think,
Christian Rodwell 2:06
absolutely, as a result of the pandemic, and it's, you know, it's interesting, I remember when, obviously, but, you know, we the pandemic hit at the start of 2020. Kevin, and, you know, obviously, it wasn't, it wasn't a great time, but, you know, we knew that there would be opportunities at the end of that, and, you know, the businesses would change, and, you know, in a positive way, in some cases, and I think Christina talks today about how I've seen, you know, she looked at what she was doing, and realized that she could help a very specific group of people, and those people are property investors. And that's exactly what she's done now. So, yeah, she'll be sharing today, some of the common mistakes that people make before they actually take on a VA and it's certainly been ones that I can recall, when I took on my first VA, several years back, Kevin as well. So yeah, interesting content today.
Unknown Speaker 2:58
Yeah. And it's, it's always good when you see business owners, you can almost see the light bulb or here the light bulb in this case, you know, what actually happened? And what made her think but um, okay, people are having challenges with VA is they kind of know what a VA is. The virtual assistant, they kind of get a feeling that they need somebody to help them with some tasks, but they don't quite know how to do it. I mean, this is a subject we've covered before, as well, haven't we with Dr. Steve de, Are
Christian Rodwell 3:27
we dead? Yes. That was back in Episode 79. In October of last year. So yes, I'll link to that in the show notes. And again, talking about leveraging systems. And, you know, some great tips today from Christina, which definitely, you know, yeah, resonate with what Steve was saying, as well back in Episode 79.
Unknown Speaker 3:47
I suppose once you really get to know who you are, which is where you add value, which is something we do in step one of our nine, nine steps to recurring revenue roadmap, Chris, you know, where you discover how you best add value. And then of course, once you discover how you add value, to things that don't drive you to produce that value, you can, wherever possible, delegate those but into good hands, not just delegators like, throw to one side, but there's a there's an art and a process to this isn't there, which I'm sure Christine will cover.
Christian Rodwell 4:26
Yes. Okay, so let's not hang around any longer. Let's head on over to our conversation with Christina Osborn. Christina, welcome to off talk today.
Unknown Speaker 4:35
Thank you for inviting me, Chris. It's really exciting for me to be here today.
Christian Rodwell 4:40
Yeah, no, we're looking forward to to hearing more about your business Christina and your businesses. Of course the property VA. And many of our listeners on wealth talk out are in the property world they are property investors. So we thought it'd be really nice to, to hear from you and your experiences of working with property investors, and how Specifically, you're helping them to create more time and more freedom. And we're going to go into some of the reasons behind why you started your business. So why don't we start there, Christina and give our listeners a little bit of a background to yourself?
Unknown Speaker 5:16
Absolutely. And thank you for that question. I wasn't always called Well, the business wasn't always called the property VA, it had been more like a generic, I would say, bland VA sourcing service. But when the pandemic hit, I found an opportunity to basically niche my offering. And niche my target market, seeing us 90% of the clients I was working with, were already property investors. I did a quick pivot change my previous business name, and now called it the property VA, and focused on just helping property investors succeed more in their property businesses.
Christian Rodwell 6:04
Yeah. And why was it that 90% of your your clients were in property is that because you're in property yourself, or you're hanging out with a lot of other investors?
Unknown Speaker 6:13
Probably both of those are true. So I didn't intend to choose to run a, or start a VA business before I got into property. But once I was within that network, I did end up hanging out a lot with quite a few property investors in networking meetings, it would be a natural conversation that would come up them asking me, so Where am I from? And when I mentioned that I'm from the Philippines that always, you know, got a lot of interest from investors, because either they themselves work with VA from the Philippines, or that they know somebody who works with a VA, or they might be slightly jealous that they haven't gotten a VA from the Philippines. And so can I help them find one? So essentially, it just started by me informally helping a few investors with finding VA from the Philippines. From which point I thought I can start a business out of this. And that's, that's how it started.
Christian Rodwell 7:19
Yeah. So, you know, identifying a problem there that people were having, and offering a solution, which is, what was the starting point, right? So before we because we're going to focus a little bit on some of the common mistakes today that people make before they actually hire a VA, to help people, you know, get ready for that moment and make sure that they do it the right way. But could we just perhaps run through some of the most common tasks that a property investor might use a VA for?
Unknown Speaker 7:50
I think for the most part, what investors approached me for in terms of needing a VA for help, it's almost always the most time consuming and low value tasks that are just not the best use of their time. And it's stopping them from focusing more on on the side of properties that bring in the most value in return for their time. Typically, this would be either spending time on social media responding to questions or maybe posting on social media, that's generally a task that a lot of investors find tedious to do is that and often bookkeeping, admin and email management. Myself, I found that it's not just the boring tasks that are best outsource to vas. I've found that it's, it's the lead generation tasks that are as well boring and time consuming, but not just low value, because they actually return a lot back to the investor in terms of the opportunities that then the VA finds for them. It's really a task that I I would like to encourage more investors to discover and utilize when using a VA and not just using a VA to answer emails, or use the VA to, to go on Facebook and you know, respond to comments and messages. You can actually use your VA to bring in 10s and 1000s or hundreds of 1000s of pounds of opportunities to your business.
Christian Rodwell 9:50
Yeah, that's really interesting, actually. So have you found Christina actually, in some cases, when your clients has started working with you and your team have the That, in fact, you're, uh, you're almost educating them a little bit in how to improve their businesses in terms of the systems, the processes the way that certain things are done.
Unknown Speaker 10:11
I like that through education. I do, I understand that what I am doing is, in fact, educating my clients a little bit, although I don't say the word education, I probably just say maybe I can guide you better on how to work with your VA more effectively, and, and utilize them, you know, to bring more opportunities to you. But you're right, there's, I've heard far too many stories of property investors being frustrated with their VA s. And ultimately, a lot of them actually are open and honest enough to recognize that maybe the frustration is caused by themselves, and not just the VA. And this is where, you know, calling myself the property VA, I need to look at both sides of this working relationship. One is the investor who, who's got an objective, who works a certain way and has like maybe a cultural and educational background that is far far, far different from where their VA is coming from. The Philippines is a third world country, even though the VA Are you know, they're very highly skilled and highly motivated to work as best as they can for the property investors. And still failure can happen. If, you know, goals are not managing their expectations in the right way. So that their their working relationship is one wherein everyone is happy with everybody's work output.
Christian Rodwell 12:08
So I think that leads us on really nicely to giving some tips really, for our listeners as to, you know, what should they be doing in order to be ready to take on a VA and you talked about some frustrations there. And I know from my own experiences in the past, when I took on a VA, my first VA was a few years ago, and I found myself almost struggling each day to find new tasks, and it became almost a task in itself to find tasks. So how can someone go, you know going in avoid that happening?
Unknown Speaker 12:40
Okay, I think specifically with the frustration of finding tasks as being task itself, I would say that comes in with my first step, which is having systems in place. With systems people are often scared of that word, because they think gets very technical, you must have some kind of too technical or specially designed system in place before you can call something a system does that does that make sense? When actually, there's just maybe low tech versions of what any business owner any property investor can start implementing. Either Well, before they hire a VA, or soon after they hire VA at the very latest, one of the best systems that a property investor who's looking to work with the VA can use and there's nothing technical about this, you don't need to sign up for any software, or take on a course to learn how to do this is creating a default diary. A default diary is where you know you as a business owner can tame the mess of delegation. Because today you might say, can you work on my email list? And can you do some bookkeeping? Can you get on Facebook? Can you get on LinkedIn? And then tomorrow, the VA sent you a message, what am I going to do today? And then you go, Oh, I don't know. Maybe you can start to go on Rightmove and find this on that property. And so you're not only not utilizing your VA time and skills the best. You're also eating up your time just to have distinct about what to delegate to a VA. But with a default diary, and it's very simple really is very, it's nothing technical at all. All you're doing is you're blocking tasks and times together. So It could be a daily blocking or a weekly blocking. A weekly blocking might look like Mondays or marketing days, Tuesday's or bookkeeping days, or a daily blocking might look like nine to 12 I need you to be on social media and just do social media work. And then in the afternoons, I need you to go back onto back end and admin and you know, sort out some filing. Essentially, what a default diary does is even without any technical knowledge of how to create an outsourcing system, you've, you've obtained the mess of delegation, just by blocking time block, creating blocks of time to focus your vas work into very specific and consistent and regular schedule as well. So you know, every Monday she's doing this, you don't have to think about that you don't have to spend half an hour of your time communicating instructions to the VA. So there that's one of my favorite tools to work with a VA.
Christian Rodwell 16:12
Yeah, that's a really good tip. And we know that often people feel like they're just too busy to even take on a VA, right? They're just too busy, they haven't got time to even think about it. And do you ever say to people about actually tracking their own time, so understanding the tasks that they're doing every day, every week, every month? And then what are some of the first things I think you maybe touched on them earlier, but some of the first things that they can start to release,
Unknown Speaker 16:41
I think it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Because if you don't spend time to sort out your own, you know, lack of time situation doesn't make sense. In order for you to delegate to a VA, then you'll never get round to actually delegating to VA to then solve this situation you're in. And believe me, it's, it's everyone situation before they hire a VA, I think no one almost, I've never heard of anybody, the point of you know, being organized before they hire a VA. So actually, your situation is probably more difficult than you think. But having said that, how would you actually go about it, because you're already time poor. And you need to even eat even more time, from your lack of time to work with the VA, for this type of investor, I would recommend that a you don't have to delegate everything. today. It's a bit like untangling a big ball of knots. You just have to attack one thing at a time. So this could be the most time consuming, but least technical task that you can outsource to a VA would be a good place to start. So this could be a backlog of emails, or this could be your Google Drive is in such a mess right now. And with very few instructions, you can delegate that to the VA straight away. And that's already going to save a lot of your time just even knowing that there's a little bit more organization in your business. Mentally that that frees up a lot of things. And so you can proceed with more clarity step by step. So you don't have to have everything organized before a VA starts. And this is where I think people stop themselves from wanting to delegate and outsource some business tasks because they feel like I need to have systems in place or I need to be super organized, when actually, they're just going to stop you from actually achieving the very thing that you want to achieve. So start small start with the most time consuming but least least skillful tasks that you can delegate to a VA.
Christian Rodwell 19:31
So you say start small there, Christina. So what would you recommend to someone in terms of like how many hours or days per week they might need instead of just going straight in and having a full time va? How do you work with people? What are the first steps to kind of ascertain what's the right level of support they need? I would
Unknown Speaker 19:52
recommend that in business owners. Consider the cost aspect of hiring Someone less than a part time VA, because a part time VA, although they've got 20 hours for you, and to some business owners, that's more than they need, they only maybe need five or 10 hours, the cost of hiring a freelance VA from Fiverr Upwork, for example. Their hourly rate is what you can achieve by hiring someone who will work double the amount of time. So, yes, some investors might say, look, I haven't got the resources to work with a 20 hour, va a week. But I would, maybe I mean, this, this all matters. Sorry, This all depends on the individual situation of the business owner. But I would recommend that if you're serious about really freeing up your diamond and running your business, like a business owner, and not a self employed person, that you do need to sit down and think about where can a VA most be of help sorting out and releasing that time off you. And 20 hours, will soon be filled up with some tasks that you may not have, you know, thought about you can delegate. So I'd seriously consider, you know, not just hiring a freelance VA to attack some of those areas in your business. But because for the same price, you can you can take on a part time VA, does that make sense?
Christian Rodwell 21:50
Yeah, it does. It does. Now, one of the other questions that people might have Christina, and you may get asked this is around security trust, you know, where's, you know, where are the VA is obviously there in the Philippines. But how do we know where our information is? So you know, what would you say to anyone who's who's kind of worried or concerned about that aspect.
Unknown Speaker 22:13
And as with all other parts of delegation, you don't give everything out all at once. And, you know, there's a thing that says you never abdicate anything about your business, when you delegate. So this would include very sensitive information or highly well, critical information that you need to keep for yourself in business. So yes, I would start small in terms of revealing and disclosing that information and only ever delegating what your VA can handle today. So with information, for example, your VA doesn't need to know all the parts in your business that you know, let's say details of your tenants who may be, let's say, vulnerable tenants, or details of contracts that you hold. You don't need to disclose everything when your VA starts working with you. I don't have the answers to your question. But just in terms of information they need, they don't need everything to start working for you today. Having said that, of course, there needs to be all the robust security measures in place that you as a business owner, will be the only person who can really say for certain what you need for your business. I would never outsource that technical decision making to let's say, someone from Well, your VA, for example, like you don't need to discuss this with your VA, I think you should get the proper advice from you know, the right people for that.
Christian Rodwell 24:18
Yeah. And there's various password kind of tools online such as LastPass. So you can give permissions quite near to different aspects of your business, different software's and accounts and things like that. So,
Unknown Speaker 24:31
yes. So a little bit at a time in terms of what you give your VA access to. So if that includes using password software's like LastPass, then yes.
Christian Rodwell 24:46
Okay, so I think it's been really fascinating actually listening to, you know, your story of how you've built this business, Christina and, you know, is there anything else that we've not covered which you think is important to share, especially get around the aspect of you know, getting ready for taking on your first VA.
Unknown Speaker 25:04
Yes, and I do wish, if I can say one message to property investors out there looking to hire VA S is before anything before having systems in place. And before even thinking about being mindful of cultural perspectives of working with someone from a different country in a different culture is for property investors to really understand how their expectations will matter when it comes to working with a virtual assistant. So that is to say, it's very important that property investors know and manage their expectations. When working with the VA, it's easy to forget that as property investors, you may have spent 1000s of pounds in educating yourself in property, whereas your VA will, no matter what training they've had, their, their training will not match the property education that you received here in the UK. Likewise, vas cannot replace you. So I often get stories from property investors where they've delegated this in that task of finding so and so sites or Nimbus, but then they come back and go, Well, this isn't what I was asking for. But that's a bit like you've basically you've delegated the decision making to your VA in finding those sites. Whereas to you, you probably didn't realize as a property investor that you were giving or handing over the business decision making to your VA by by outsourcing, you know, site finding. But there's a simple tweak to overcome that. And I would say there's a as investors, we need to see a clear distinction between tasks where you give it us a checklist based tasks and tasks where you require the VA to make decisions on your behalf. And it's as simple distinction to make but a very crucial one, especially when it comes to decisions that are well, either you're gonna cost your business 1000s of pounds, or cost you a lot more in in lost opportunity or missed opportunity, because your VA has filtered out sites that, you know, you've advocated that decision making to her. Basically,
Christian Rodwell 28:01
Christina, if any of our listeners want to find out more about the property, VA services and social media, where are the places online that they should head to
Unknown Speaker 28:12
my website, it's the property va.co. uk. Also, I'm on LinkedIn, just type in Christina Osborne, or the property VA. And that will direct you to my page. I'm also very active on Facebook, if you at the property VA on Facebook. And that should bring up my page. And hopefully I'd love to connect to more of your listeners.
Christian Rodwell 28:39
Thanks so much for being a great guest on wealth talk today. Thank you to Chris. Okay, some good tips there from Christina, which we can we can debrief in a moment, Kevin. But before we do that, let's head on over to trustpilot and read out one of our latest reviews. And this week, we've had one from NASA and NASA saying thank you, Kevin and Chris have put together an awesome program about wealth building, not just in the financial aspect, though, that's the primary goal, but also holistically. The program is curated by experts who just don't talk the talk, but actually have walked the walk and still live and breathe it every day with passion. And the content is handheld step by step guidance and support starting primarily with one's mindset, which can be so limiting for so many of us. And the ethos of the founders propagates through the wealth builders community where people are supportive and collaborative. And having joined wealth builders hasn't just had a positive financial effect on our lives, but also made us think deeper about the wider impact on our family and the community we live in.
Unknown Speaker 29:49
Wow. Yeah, it's a very thought provoking and fascinating review from a NAS and thank you so much for that and her and her husband, man. You know, we love spending time with them. And thank you so much and their lovely family to be part of our community. And, and I think that's what we attract Chris, we attract really nice people who don't just want to take they want to give back. And I think that often surprises people, when they join the community, don't they? how willing people are to be so giving of their time and energy? and Christina is another example of that she's so generous with their time with us. And, you know, what a good story though she has to tell.
Christian Rodwell 30:31
Yeah. And, you know, for anyone listening now, who lives in property, you know, I think we we all understand that it can be very easy just to be running around doing lots and lots of different things, lots of tasks, which really, if you actually sat down and took a bit of time to, you know, actually take stock of the things that you do every week, every month, every quarter every year, then there's a lot of repeatable tasks, which actually, you could probably outsource. And for many people, Kevin, I think, you know, they find themselves so busy that they don't actually have time to just think, right, what can I let go of first, and it's almost just quicker just to keep doing it. Right. That's the mindset. A lot of people get into in businesses, I'll just be quicker if I just do it myself. But as Christina said, start small, just think about the things that are the most time consuming, and the least skillful, and just start passing those things one at a time.
Unknown Speaker 31:26
Well, I think you've you said this before, Chris, are you an earlier iteration of yourself, you know, you made the same mistakes, didn't you really you kind of found yourself finding, trying to find in the same day tasks for the VA to do you felt sort of a was an obligation because you decided to take one on. But I think the way, Christina says, and certainly where we think is really powerful, and we use systems in our own business, one of those doesn't really matter what you use, but we use something called Time Doctor, which is essentially for all of our staff to record, not not in a sort of, you know, a detailed time management way to clock people in and clock people off, but to understand what tasks they're spending their time on, so that we can best understand how people do their jobs, and to make sure they're doing them in the in the right way where they are best suited based on their skills and their inclinations. And it's the same here that if you kind of take some time to track your time, understand the blocks of activity that you're doing, I think she called them very nicely, actually. untangling knots one at a time. But if you can kind of do that, work out the thing, that's the most frustrating or the thing that you you procrastinating you procrastinations your friend, you can feel it. When you feel like you want to put something off, that's probably something you wanted to get done. Because I think you know, when you get to a place of that frustration that Notting is not actually I think she's chosen word really, really well, that, that sense of frustration, when you're procrastinating something, that's definitely something to get sorted. And if you can allocate that to somebody else, because it's not your natural thing to do the thing you love to do, provided it's not absolutely critical, and only you can do it. But that takes time. And you have to almost take time before you take on a VA to catch 22 in some ways, isn't it that on the one hand, you're time poor. But on the other hand, you got to slow down to take the time to do that effective delegation in a much better way. And look, this is true when you take on a member of staff. It's true when you take on a new person to fill a strategic role in your business. And we do that then we have kind of roles we call seats, and then we we strategically try and fill those seats with the right people. And continue trying to evaluate that. And that takes a lot of time, Chris, doesn't it we have to spend time to think about all of these things.
Christian Rodwell 34:04
Yeah, and hence one of the benefits, obviously, of working with someone like Christina, who's already experienced, what are the common tasks that property investors do? And this is why of course, we've connected with Kevin because you know, we can see the value she's providing and we know that for our own members to have someone who's already got these systems in place. And you know, can almost teach you know the property investor how to start letting go what of first things to start letting go. So you feel confident, it's very similar to our roadmap, isn't it? It's all about confidence at the beginning, because may be new to you outsourcing some of these things, and you might kind of want to hold on to them, you might be a little bit nervous about, you know, certain security issues or, you know, trust and things like that, but um, you know, having someone we've experienced, like, Christina can help you. And, you know, I think that's a that's a really good first step.
Unknown Speaker 34:57
Yeah. I like the way she she's Whereas as I said at the beginning, Chris, she's pivoted from being a kind of a sorcerer of VA services. Obviously, she's used her knowledge of the Philippines, you know, being Filipino herself. But you know, she's definitely used that skill. And seeing the the challenge of people who do property, she calls people property investors. So you hear or use the language of investor, right the way through that. So just to avoid the confusion, if it's possible there, the word investor, she means somebody who's interested in using property as one of the pillars to build their wealth. And I think she's nailed that. And to get to a place where she's saying, Hey, I can help you work by delegating tasks to VA is to help you build your property portfolio, or to help you find and source property opportunities, not to replace you, but to enhance you to take care of some of the things that you know, are time consuming things. And there's lots of tools around that she's familiar with. I think she might even mentioned one of those, Chris, that we had recently on podcast, which was Nimbus, which is a piece of technology, again, that she knows she knows well, and she can teach people on that. But where did when did Nimbus come across? That was fairly recent.
Christian Rodwell 36:20
Yeah, we interviewed the co founder, Paul, on episode 110. And so again, link to that, in today's show notes pheromones find out about that software.
Unknown Speaker 36:30
Yeah, so it's back to the combination of leveraging technology, and then leveraging other people. And that's where the real skill comes in. So if you've got somebody who knows what to do, and I think it's not just helping you, but also, I think she makes a very elegant point to that, when you're dealing with someone from a different cultural place, they may not have the same knowledge as you, as she says that, but also, she can then teach them how to work effectively with you, because she knows so many of these tasks, not because she's a property investor herself. But that helps. But she works with property investors. So that sort of accumulated wealth and wisdom of questions that she's being asked continually. She can then train vaes to perform those tasks, so that you don't need to necessarily do it on your own. So I think it's a great service. And like many things, Chris, in the NAS testimonial there that sort of very nice thing she said about the way we were a collaborative community, I think there's definitely room for us to be collaborating with Christina here. I think there's a way to try and bring this service in a very effective way not unlike the way we're doing with, with with Neil, who will be working Actually, this week, Chris will be sitting with Neil, when we talk about wealth builders for for children and teens and trying to bring that program to life. I think there's every reason for us to want to collaborate with Christina to try and bring her property service to light. So
Christian Rodwell 38:06
yeah, looking forward to that. Absolutely. Yeah, it's pillar seven joint ventures where we're very open to co creating and collaborating, if anyone's got any ideas. And then please do get in touch with us. And there's multiple ways obviously, to get in touch with Kevin and myself, either send us an email to Hello at wealth builders co.uk. Or just hit us up on the socials, we've got the free wealth builders, Facebook community, just search in Facebook for wealth builders, and we're on LinkedIn, all the usual places, Kevin as well. So we're, we're very easy to get hold of,
Unknown Speaker 38:39
we're very easy to get hold of, and we want to be accessible to people. And we love to do that. And one of the things that I would say is if you're been listening to the podcast a while, and you've got an idea that you think you can help people build wealth that you can collaborate, you just don't have a community yet. But let's be clear about something, though, that I think was good here as well, Chris, which is almost circling back to the beginning. What Christina did was she started her own business slowly. She tried it, she tested it, she kind of, you know, ironed out all the creases in the cracks. And then she got the proof of concept in ci, but so many people reach out to us. And they have an idea, don't they? They have an idea of a business. Well, we don't really have the time and the inclination to look at the ideas so much really crest we need somebody who's already tried and tested the idea. And the idea works. And if the idea works at some level with a few people, and you can always test it out with a few people. We always recommend you do that. Then if you've got an idea that's working at some level, then we might be able to work with you collaborate and give you more leverage. And that's an important thing. So one of the fastest ways I often say to get into the flow of our consumer base, a customer base. A new database of Potential connections and clients is to get into somebody else's flow. And we're always willing to let people come in and share our flow, Chris, as long as they've got a good business idea that at least is working at some level, rather than something that's brand new, that nobody's even the top yet. But then. So because those creators can go might contract with 15 ideas before breakfast, and then three, and then 20, more overnight, when they start out with a notepad again, yes,
Christian Rodwell 40:30
they can, Kevin. We know how the wealth dynamics work, and what a great team we are at grabbing all those ideas and putting them into practice.
Unknown Speaker 40:42
I suppose that's my job is suppose come up with them. But then, you know, that's the whole idea is that we test it out, don't we, and I think the great one, to test and we're looking forward to collaborating with many more people on the wealth building journey for the future, because all we really want to do is try and help make the journey from financial insecurity, through to security then on to independence, the most enjoyable way, it's possible to do with the fastest way and the safest way. So we get there, we get there with certainty, we get there with confidence. But we get there in a way that isn't DIY, it isn't done on our own. We love the collaborative nature of it. So we do encourage people who like to collaborate, not to DIY, and to come and join us in some way. And, you know, we're looking forward to more and more people joining us on our path to help 50,000 people find financial independence for themselves.
Christian Rodwell 41:37
Indeed, indeed we are. And this brings us up really to our summer break, Kevin, so we'll be taking a few weeks off or ghosts. just focusing on now Academy members also just taking better time to recharge. But we'll be coming back with more episodes of wealth talk continuing back in the beginning of September. So we hope you enjoyed listening to today's episode. And do feel free to reach out if you've got any questions. We are here to help and wishing you all a nice summer and a good August and Kevin will be back in September, same time, same place.
Unknown Speaker 42:16
We will all the time. Now for me now I've had my little break to get my ideas, flowing crews ready to start putting some new ideas into play. Ready for cues? Well, the autumn season as we're looking forward to working with you. So do reach out to us. In the meantime, by the way, we're not going away anywhere we're reachable. So you know, follow Chris guidance to reach out to us. We're just taking a break from the podcast only for a few weeks as it is our habit to do so during August. All right.
Christian Rodwell 42:43
So thanks for listening today. And Kevin. We'll see you next time. Okay, then see ya.
Unknown Speaker 42:52
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